Curse

GODh · Jul 18, 2007, 01:08 AM // 01:08

First of all let me say that i am not trying to cause a flamewar here! Neither do i want insult some people, but the lack of braincells of some "developers" from anet is starting to p#ss me off.

The update from july 17th is attempt number xxx from anet to fight the spam (good idea). This time they wanna force us to use the party-search to sell, buy, recruit, pug stuff/people:

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Party Search

*Whenever a party enters Party Search, an automatic message will now broadcast to players in that party’s current district. For example, if Flamingo Avenger sets “glf monk” as the party’s description in the Party Search panel, “Flamingo Avenger: Party Search – glf monk” will appear in the Chat panel of players in the same district as Flamingo Avenger.

* Whenever a party leader broadcasts “glf,” “lfg,” lfp,” “wtb,” “wts,” or “wtt” in All chat, that party will now be entered into Party Search automatically with that chat message used as the party's description.

Anet created a game with an economy, but sadly it seems that they dont a clue how their own economy works...

The party-search is limited... VERRRRRRRRY limited. Their own example ("glf monk") shows us how simplistic they think...

"glf monk"... Wtf? There is a group looking for a monk? So what?
* What kind of monk: healer, protector, smiter, maybe a mix?
* Where do they need a monk for? A quest, a mission, maybe farming?

There is no f**king room to make DECENT descriptions in the party-search window. Therefor, NOBODY will use it!!!!!

Wanna buy/sell something? You cant do that via the party-search window as you cant make DECENT descriptions of the stuff you are looking for/trying so sell... i would never respond to someone who is "WTS sword 100k". I wanna know name, requirement, stats, price, etc... not just "sword" or "staff" or whatever due the lack of room.

This "idea" may work for a few days... then people figure out it is better to "WT S" or "WT$", etc to sell their stuff and we are back to where many of us dont wanna go: spam...

How long will it take before anet finally starts to really play their own game. Then they finally would understand that they are making really a mess out of this

Tahlia Tane · Jul 18, 2007, 01:13 AM // 01:13

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10178266

Skyy High · Jul 18, 2007, 01:16 AM // 01:16

Right...because people wrote a dissertation on exactly what kind of monk they wanted before party search came out.

It's always been "GLF XX, SELF INVITE!" Now it automatically goes in party search. There's nothing to frickin complain about here; whatever you did before, you do the exact same thing now...and it automatically uses party search.

Why in god's name would it be better to spam "WT S" rather than "WTS"? The second is exactly like the first, except your message also goes in party search, which is damn useful in LA and Kamadan.

notskorn · Jul 18, 2007, 01:19 AM // 01:19

This is a positive change, quit complaining about every little thing. It's much easier to see what people are selling and looking for by using party search.

reetkever · Jul 18, 2007, 01:22 AM // 01:22

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Right...because people wrote a dissertation on exactly what kind of monk they wanted before party search came out.

It's always been "GLF XX, SELF INVITE!" Now it automatically goes in party search. There's nothing to frickin complain about here; whatever you did before, you do the exact same thing now...and it automatically uses party search.

Why in god's name would it be better to spam "WT S" rather than "WTS"? The second is exactly like the first, except your message also goes in party search, which is damn useful in LA and Kamadan.

Because party search screws your message up.

What is WTS Elemental Sword r9 100K + 80 ecto

is shortened to WTS Elemental Sword r9 100K

(Just an example, not saying it;s true). So people whisp 'I buy for 100K!!!' while you actually sell for 100K + ecto's. The whisping players cannot see you in trrade chat, since they're in other district.

THAT is the problem with the party search. It's confusing and making unreadable long messages.

Also, things like: 'LFP We need Mo, Echo Nuker, Tanker (2/5)'

are shortened, too.`

EDIT: Just notices that it will shorten the text in TRADE CHAT, too. You can only put 30 characters in a sentence. 'WTS Furious Elemental Sword of Fortitude' doesn't even fit...

If you do NOT type WTS and NOT come in party search, you can make a message of about 120 characters.

30 vs 120 characters... Hmm which would you use when typing a long message?

GODh · Jul 18, 2007, 01:23 AM // 01:23

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Originally Posted by notskorn

This is a positive change, quit complaining about every little thing. It's much easier to see what people are selling and looking for by using party search.

I am not anti party-search (i am anti spam) but i am trying to tell (for the xx th time, in other (old) threads) that this party-search is NOT working. As long as you cant make DECENT descriptions, party-search will NOT be used! Period!

Tifa Superstar · Jul 18, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

Right...because people wrote a dissertation on exactly what kind of monk they wanted before party search came out.

It's always been "GLF XX, SELF INVITE!" Now it automatically goes in party search. There's nothing to frickin complain about here; whatever you did before, you do the exact same thing now...and it automatically uses party search.

Why in god's name would it be better to spam "WT S" rather than "WTS"? The second is exactly like the first, except your message also goes in party search, which is damn useful in LA and Kamadan.

So, tell me how exactly I would advertise the following:

R10+ LF 2 DA Paras, 1 LoD/Infuse, 1 RC prot, 1 PB Mez... etc etc..

eh?

People didn't use the party/trade window because of character limitation, which annoyingly still exists.

I completely agree with the OP.

Red-Tide · Jul 18, 2007, 01:33 AM // 01:33

This is not a positive change, it's just dumb. From the day the Party search thing was introduced we all said " to limited, increase character amount". Nope they go and force everything into it?

Increase the characters allowed by 10 at least for this to feasible.

gg Anerf!

korcan · Jul 18, 2007, 01:35 AM // 01:35

the trade "enhancements" introduced in this update do absolutely nothing for people trying to sell items. sure it may be a moderate update for people looking for a monk or party buy if anet doesnt lengthen the character limit, as most people that use it, use it for trade, they shouldnt really do anything to it at all.

Series · Jul 18, 2007, 01:39 AM // 01:39

Just stop typing. There is no pleasing you people. You expect Anet to be your servants who do anything you command.

If making character limit larger in party search was easy, it would be in by now.

Party search is still optional. The only difference is now your messages HAVE to be sent there. If you don't like it, either ignore it (easy to do) or play a new game.

Thanks to Anet for a good update.

Alderin · Jul 18, 2007, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by Series

Just stop typing. There is no pleasing you people. You expect Anet to be your servants who do anything you command.

If making character limit larger in party search was easy, it would be in by now.

Party search is still optional. The only difference is now your messages HAVE to be sent there. If you don't like it, either ignore it (easy to do) or play a new game.

Thanks to Anet for a good update.

Heh, no sarcasm mark or note in playing a fanboi?

Muspellsheimr · Jul 18, 2007, 01:49 AM // 01:49

Maybe all of you saying this is "positive" should go and actually try it out first. Many of us like to have a decent description of what we are looking for, so as to avoid some of the idiots - you try doing that with this change, and your message has the annoying "party search - " in front of it (absolutly worthless), in addition to being cut in half (affects your chat message as well).

As I said in the update thread, remove the "party search" from chat, and increase the text limit in party search, and this would be a good change. Until then, it's a piece of crap that hampers most people's efforts to buy, sell, or get a group together..

reetkever · Jul 18, 2007, 01:50 AM // 01:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Series

Just stop typing. There is no pleasing you people. You expect Anet to be your servants who do anything you command.

If making character limit larger in party search was easy, it would be in by now.

Party search is still optional. The only difference is now your messages HAVE to be sent there. If you don't like it, either ignore it (easy to do) or play a new game.

Thanks to Anet for a good update.

How can you ignore your own message being shortened?

Before: WTS Sundering Colossal Scimitar of Fortitude (req 9): 100K + 10 ecto's
After: WTS Sundering Colossal Scimita

And no, this isn't in Party search, but it's in the normal Trade Chat, too.

Redfeather1975 · Jul 18, 2007, 02:22 AM // 02:22

Complaining about something is good. They'll change it eventually.
But calling Anet devs stupid, lazy, f-ing idiots is not going to help.
If they are anything like most of the people complaining, they'd actually put it on the shelf just to piss you all off out of spite.

GODh · Jul 18, 2007, 02:35 AM // 02:35

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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

Complaining about something is good. They'll change it eventually.
But calling Anet devs stupid, lazy, f-ing idiots is not going to help.
If they are anything like most of the people complaining, they'd actually put it on the shelf just to piss you all off out of spite.

Problem is that how often do you need to complain before anet does something about serious problems (like this party-search window).

I still love GW, but this game is FULL of bugs... some bugs like "obstructed" are very annoying and here for a VERY long time, and is probably mentioned in 1000s of post and yet, the bug still exists (i play for almost 22 months now and i have "obstructed" since day 1 and it still exists)... is it so weird that players start to think of anet of being "lazy"??

And dont you think that when a gamecompany starts listening (really listening) and starts to try to look through the player's eyes, they couldnt come up with this kind of non-working sh*t??

Some bugs can be dealth with... i can try to lure the "obstructed" enemy to another location. That fixes it... however the party-window is a problem i cant deal with. To me, it is USELESS, so i wont use it... and i think that most of the real players will agree on this. Make it useful, and it will be used.

Kook~NBK~ · Jul 18, 2007, 03:02 AM // 03:02

While I agree that more people should use the Party Search feature, I think A-Net's efforts to get people to use it fails miserably.

1. They didn't learn their lesson from when they tried getting people to stop using local chat by re-directing messages that start with WTS / WTB. It didn't take long (less than an hour) for people to start varying their messages to keep it from getting re-directed. So, the people who have varied the opening (typing W T S, etc.) aren't affected by this change at all.

2. They failed to take into consideration people who are selling several items. I don't stand around town trying to sell just one thing, it's not good time management. It seems that most other players that I've seen trading over the past 2+ years are ususally putting several things up for sale. I like to post one item for sale in PS and post 2 or 3 items for sale in trade chat (any more than that and I get confused - LOL)

3. (From a PvE perspective) For the individual Looking for a group, it's no so bad. Most people usually post the basic "W/Mo20 LFG for Mission" type message anyway, and these messages will fit in there.

4. For party leaders trying to fill out their groups, it's terrible. There's just not enough space to adveritse for a MM, prot monk, echo nuker, and a Mesmer (you know you want us along

)

[edit] 5. One nice feature of the PS window before the update was that it was easy to read because it didn't scroll. NOW, it's a pain to read because the text jumps around way too much, making it less desirable to use.

How they could have gotten more people to VOLUNTARILY use the PS:

Step 1: Expand the number of characters allowed in the PS window so its usefulness is expanded.

Step 2: Replace the "Chat Channel Changes" announcement ( I think most everyone's got it by now) to "Party Search Changes" in the login screen. That will get people who don't know about the PS to check it out and get people who want a better tool for trading & stuff to actually get one.

Boerewors · Jul 18, 2007, 03:57 AM // 03:57

Well one temp solution is (if they ever fix the char length) is to make universally recognised codes for chars:

eg:

Ele = 1, SF = a

so GLF 1a, 2c, 3d could be SF ele, prot monk, bip necro ;-P

Wow this is fun! We can all start a metagame, decipher the code while LFP!

Operative 14 · Jul 18, 2007, 04:16 AM // 04:16

I completely aggree with the OP here. I have been a great fan of GW since I first got it more than a year and a half ago, and since then I have not been affected by any of the updates in a negative way. But this Update is just... um, well, don't wanna get banned here

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Whenever a party enters Party Search, an automatic message will now broadcast to players in that party’s current district. For example, if Flamingo Avenger sets "glf monk" as the party’s description in the Party Search panel, "Flamingo Avenger: Party Search — glf monk" will appear in the Chat panel of players in the same district as Flamingo Avenger.
Whenever a party leader broadcasts "glf", "lfg", "lfp", "wtb", "wts", or "wtt" in All chat, that party will now be entered into Party Search automatically with that chat message used as the party's description.

This is a great idea actually, it solves the problem of having to constantly retype and repost your advertisment every single time you change districts. IF it had been implimented properly.

I was trying to sell a necrid horseman, my advertisement was thus; "WTS Mini Necrid horseman, 12k OBO" Which was promptly truncated in normal trade chat to "-Party Search(why does it have the party search lable here anyway? It's annoying and makes things harder to read if your scanning)- WTS Mini Necrid Horsman 12k OB" This is such a simple message, and yet it is STILL being cut off. Why?? It doesn't bother me very much that the extra O was cut off, but when I was trying to buy "39 Elonian Lea" Before that, it was a major pain. Then I was called a moron becuase I was using the ol' all chat trick of W T S. And no, I didn't ever use it before, and I was using trade channel just as I always have.

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The Trade panel now displays the name as well as the icon of trade items present in the trade cart, and a warning message now displays when the person you are trading with changes the offer.

Great idea, bit superfluous, but it's kind of nice.

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The Party panel now automatically resizes vertically to match the contents of the panel.
The Party panel now maintains the same position it was placed in while in outposts and missions. The Party panel join frame has been moved to the bottom of the panel.
Allies and pets are now listed in collapsible groups in the Party panel while in a mission.

Uh.. Okay. Why? This may sound nitpicky, but, of all the literally hundreds of threads in this forum I have read, thousands of conversations in the game, I have never heard a single person complain that their Party Window was to big. If it was, they could CUSTOMIZE the size. I miss my party window the way it was, stacked under the compass perfectly fitted above my mini map... forming one singular console of geographical and team based information. I can get used to this though... I guess...

The point: I love the idea of Party search. I love the idea of having my WTS advertisment automatically put into party search. I hate that it truncates even the simplest message into confusing gibberish. And I dislike that -party search- label as well. And I don't appreciate having the ability to fully customize my GUI (which I love) taken away and replaced with some diminutive party window.

Evilsod · Jul 18, 2007, 04:45 AM // 04:45

Lets be honest... have any unrequested features been good?
Party Search has been unused ever since its implemention.... and what the hell was the point of Auto-Targetting, i haven't seen a single person saying they liked it and Anet were forced into making it optional ASAP.
Now they're trying to force us into Party Search, really, didn't they learn from Auto-Targetting with regards to forcing people to use things?

Firebaall · Jul 18, 2007, 04:48 AM // 04:48

Well here's my joy tonight:

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WTS: ---Gold Magmas Shield--- r12 str, Inscriptible! 80K

This is a usual message I would type in the trade channel. What Atard did, makes it look like this now:

Quote:

Party Search - WTS: ---Gold Magmas Shield---

-and-

Quote:

WTS: ---Gold Magmas Shield---

What I get from buyers:

How much? What req? over and over and over again. HOLY JEEBUS! I can't even #$(king describe the item I'm trying to sell without having it truncated to worthless degree.

Gold star for that.